WTB posts
If you're looking to buy a specific product, first check to see if those items are for sale or auction, or are available at a Net Store. If you can't find what you are looking for (or maybe you just want to buy it cheaper) you can post a message to the newsgroup with the subject "WTB Product", and put any pertinent info in the body of the message. People should then start (hopefully) sending you offers to sell the item to you.
There are several things that you should keep in mind when posting WTB posts. The first is that you should keep in short and sweet. Give a list and condition of the items that you are looking for and, ideally, what sort of price range you are looking to pay.
Second, keep your posts down to a minimum. By minimum I mean two things. First, if you want several items post one list of the items that you want, not a different post for every item. Second don't over post, ie don't post everyday. WTB post should be posted once or twice a week at most.
Lastly, WTB posts for rare items (by rare I mean items like the RPGA and R modules, Dragon #1, Lost Tamochan, etc) will almost 100% never work. The reality is that once and a while rare items are AUCTIONED on the newsgroup. On no account is anyone who reads this newsgroup and owns the item(s) you're looking for going to sell it to you unless you offer an obscene (and for some of these items I mean OBSCENE) amount of money along with the post. Rare items are almost always auctioned on the newsgroup.
Replying to WTB adds is very easy. If you have an item they are looking for, reply to them via email., Easy eh;)
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How to avoid getting ripped off!
First, Check CHECK OUT REFERENCES!!!
References: Get references from the other person. What are "References"?
"References" are the e-mail addresses that the other person has traded
with/bought from/sold to. When the other person supplies you with references,
CHECK THEM OUT. You don't know if the references are legitimate
if you do not CHECK THEM OUT! You "check the references" by sending
email to the references. Below is a sample reference check letter:
I am about to trade with/buy from:
John Doe (jdoe@somewhere.com)
Is this person an honest trader/seller? How did your trade/sale with him go? Were the goods sent in a timely fashion and in the promised condition? Thanks!
If most of the references "bounce" (the email address is invalid) or
you get no response, then the references are probable fake and you should
not trade OR you should insist that the other person send first.
Checking out the other persons references is the most important part of protecting yourself from rip-offs! Typically, however people tend to be small sellers, selling/auctioning there RPG stuff off as a once only thing and so do not have a lot in the way of references. Another thing you can do is check to see what, if anything they have posted in the past, to do this go to Deja News and do a search on the persons name and email address. This will tell you if they have been active in the newsgroups and what (if anything) has been said about them. You can also check up on someone in the following way: Under Netscape one of the buttons is "people". This links to several search engines that specifically search for people. Yahoo will give you an extensive list of places to search, Just click here-Yahoo Search.Some of the more popular ones are WhoWere, Bigfoot, and Four11, Also some others are Search, IAF, Ctel, WED, Yahoo People Search, Netfind, ESP,. Clicking on any one of these will give you methods to get names, addresses, Email addresses and phone numbers. WhoWhere is quite good and can be used by simply clicking on what you want to get (like address) and type in the last name and mailing address of the bad trader. What will come up will be the Trader's phone number. If the person is living with parents, then you'll also get the head of households name, like the father of the trader. Netscape even has a CityMap link. Just type in the address you want and it will show you a map of the address, right down to the individual streets, with an X on the address you typed. Surfing around the people search site you will also find a yellow pages link which can find any business in the U.S, you can use this to find the closest police stations, etc. Of course this doesn't list everyone, but is a good starting point. Still can't track that person down then here's a few more ideas!!! This is were I would start! This site Infospace has listing for many countries inc USA, it also has a reversible search index! Very Good!, also Australian Phone Directory , Singapore Phone Directory , Belgium Phone Directory , Dutch Phone Directory -is searchable by non-Dutch speakers but takes a bit of time to figure it out, Luxenburg Phone Directory , Portugal Phone Directory -is searchable by non-Portuguese speakers but takes a bit of time to figure it out, Slovenia Phone Directory , Canada Phone Directory , USA Phone Directory- Lookup USA, another USA Phone Directory- Switchboard, Argentina Phone Directory -is searchable by non-Spanish speakers but takes a bit of time to figure it out, Hawaii Phone Directory , New Zealand Phone Directory .
I've left out one? Then email me! (any help appreciated:)
Remember there are unsavoury types out there that will try to cheat you. Since you and the person you are trading with/selling to/buying from is not physically near you, a certain amount of trust is necessary to trade/sell/buy over the Internet. There are several steps you can take to avoid getting ripped off. Whenever you are about to trade or buy goods, try and get as much of the following information from the other person:
- Real name: Get the first and last name of the person
you are about to trade with/buy from! If the person trading with you/selling to you represents a business, get his or her name! You cannot do anything about a rip-off if you do not know the persons name.
- Street address: Get the other persons street address! This is a physical address, not a post office box. Some traders (students, etc...) only have a PO Box and do not have street addresses. In this case, be sure you get plenty of references- if they can not provide you with references then suggest that they send first and pay COD (also see Payment below).
- Phone number: Ask for the other persons phone number. A rip-off artist will be hesitant to provide you with a phone number since he or she knows you can call him or her up and harass him or her. Some people will not give their phone number over the Internet, for various reasons. Please respect their privacy. If they do not provide a phone number, again, make sure to get plenty of references. You should get a phone number for large trade/purchases, and maybe call them to verify that it is their phone number and everything is "OK".
- References: Remember to Check them out! (also see "Freemail" services)
- Payment:
- Avoid paying by cash as this is the hardest to trace and prove!
- When buying from an individual, pay by check. Also, write in the comments field of your check something like: "Purchase of RPG material". With the cancelled check you can prove that you paid for the goods. (If you pay by check, you can sue them in civil court, through if they are out of state, they are not required by law to attend, IIRC.) Another option is to pay with a US Postal Money Order if buying from within US. Sending a US Postal money order through mail, and then not getting your items, can result in POSTAL FRAUD!! If this happens contact the USPS Mail Fraud office and initiate a Mail Fraud investigation of the seller.
- When buying from a company, pay by credit card. This is the best protection, because if the company doesn't deliver, you can dispute the charge. Then you don't pay anything, and your credit card company will deal with the hassles of tracking down the company, making them return the money, etc.
- Postage: Always ask how the items will be shipped, this is especially important if you want to keep the condition of the items intact. Also check to see if you are not being ripped off with postage, either go to your nearest post office and ask how much it costs to send a package that size and weight or look it up on the net (also see How much does shipping something cost?)
- Insurance: For large trades/purchases, ask the trader/seller to send the goods insured. This way, if the mail gets lost, you will be compensated. Insurance costs about $1 for $100 worth of insurance (in the US). INSURANCE is really the only way to protect yourself from lost mail. A RETURN RECEIPT will provide proof that the cards were received, but this should be used with INSURANCE. When you mail goods overseas, INSURANCE may not be available, so you should send the cards via REGISTERED mail. REGISTERED mail is kept under "lock and key" until it is delivered. CERTIFIED mail, while better than nothing, provides proof of delivery only, you will have no recourse if the goods are lost. A good rule of thumb is that if you can't afford to have the goods disappear, you should insure it.
Another way to protect yourself is to never conclude a trade/sale in a "chat room" or "irc". It is OK to discuss trades in a "chat room", but always conclude a trade via email. This way you have a "paper trail" to prove the "deal"- remember to also keep a copy of all the emails you get and receive until the deal is complete.
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"Freemail" services
People new to the net may not be aware that you can obtain free email address, also know "Freemail" services. "Freemail" services are offered by various organisations on the net, and most people are aware of at least the "Big" freemail names (ie @hotmail.com). These services offer "free" email accounts (AOL permits each of its users to create up to five "screen names" which basically amounts to the same) . A trader could get multiple accounts on these services at no charge and with no identification with the intention of ripping people off. The lesson learned is: A list of references that comes entirely from one system or from the free services below, should be viewed sceptically. If the references are from a system which does not allow multiple names, you might still be given the trader's friends as references. When checking a reference list try to take no more than 2 from any given service, and try to get several from different services.
Below is list a large list of freemail addresses that I have found in a relatively short period of time. While the list is large it is by no means complete, there are always services that I'm unaware of and new ones starting up all the time. If you know of any more then please email me! (any help appreciated:) The "Freemail" address are:
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@1coolplace.com
@1funplace.com
@1internetdrive.com
@1musicrow.com
@1netdrive.com
@1under.com
@1webave.com
@1webhighway.com
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@A-VIP.com
@abolution-now.com
@ace-of-base.com
@advalvas.be
@all-mychildren.com
@altern.org
@angelfire.com
@another-world.com
@antisocial.com
@anywhereusa.com
@apmail.com
@aristotle.orr
@as-if.com
@atlink.com
@aol.com
@AudioPhile.com
B
@babylon5fan.com
@backpackers.com
@baldandsexy.com
@base.com.br
@bay-watch.com
@beavisandbutthead.com
@beenhad.com
@beer.com
@bemybaby.com
@beverlyhills-90210.com
@bi-cpl.com
@bi-f.com
@bi-m.com
@BioGate.com
@Biosys.net
@Bigfoot.com
@BitSmart.com
@broadcast.net
@bruce-lee.com
@buffbody.com
@bullsfan.com
@bullsgame.com
@busymail.com
@buyersusa.com
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@canwetalk.com
@captain-kirk.com
@caramail.com
@chat.ru
@cheerful.com
@chez.com
@churchusa.com
@cindy-crawford.com
@citeweb.net
@ComPorts.com
@copacabana.com
@cornerpub.com
@crazedanddazed.com
@crazysexycool.com
@cuteandcuddly.com
@cyberbabies.com
@CyberJunkie.com
@cyberspace-asia.com
@Cryogen.com
@cyberdude.com
@cybergal.com
@cyberloveplace.com
@cybermail.net
D
@dangerous-minds.com
@dazedandconfused.com
@DeathsDoor.com
@death-star.com
@deal-maker.com
@deneg.ne
@dennis-rodman.com
@desireme.com
@deutschland-net.com
@digibel.be
@DigiCron.com
@DittosRush.com
@dom-cpl.com
@dom-f.com
@dom-m.com
@dontmesswithtexas.com
@dreamgal.com
@dreamguy.com
E
@earthalliance.com
@EarthCorp.com
@earthdome.com
@earthling.net
@end-war.com
@extenda.net
F
@federalreserve.com
@finebody.com
@flashemail.com
@for-president.com
@forfree.at
@forpresident.com
@forum.dk
@free-org.com
@freeandsingle.com
@freemail.c2.hu
@freeweb.essenet.it
@freeyellow.com
@free.xtel.com
@friends-cafe.com
@friendsfan.com
@fwnb.com
G
@galaxy5.com
@GalaxyCorp.com
@general-hospital.com
@geocities.com
@girlofyourdreams.com
@givepeaceachance.com
@gmx.net
@goplay.com
@greatlover.com
@guyofyourdreams.com
H
@hang-ten.com
@hanmail.net
@heather-locklear.com
@heartthrob.com
@heehaw.com
@Hempseed.com
@heremail.com
@hollywoodkids.com
@homeart.com
@hotmail.com
@html.tou.com
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@iamit.com
@iamwaiting.com
@iamyours.com
@ididitmyway.com
@ihavepms.com
@ilovechocolate.com
@ilyou.com
@imail.org
@imailbox.com
@imatrekkie.com
@imfamous.com
@imneverwrong.com
@imstressed.com
@imtoosexy.com
@imyourslave.com
@iname.com
@indocities.com
@indo-mail.com
@indomail.com
@ineedu.com
@info-media.de
@innocent.com
@internetdrive.com
@iowntheweb.com
@isellcars.com
@itookmyprozac.com
@ivebeenframed.com
J
@jazzandjava.com
@jazzgame.com
@juno.com
K
@kidding.com
@kitznet.at
@kktv.com
L
@lajollashores.com
@latinmail.com
@letsmakelove.com
@letterbox.com
@localbar.com
@lookingforme.com
@lovechatting.com
@lover-boy.com
@lovergirl.com
@luvr.com
@lycosemail.com
M
@m4.org
@magic-johnson.com
@mail.byte.it
@mail.dotcom.fr
@mail.ee
@mail.org.uk
@MailAndNews.com
@mailcity.com
@mailexcite.com
@mailto.de
@mariah-carey.com
@married-not.com
@marsattack.com
@me4u.com
@melrose-place.com
@metallicafan.com
@metsgame.com
@michaeljordon.com
@michaeljordanfan.com
@millionaireintraining.com
@mindless.com
@moonman.com
@moonshinehollow.com
@most-wanted.com
@mostlysunny.com
@mr-potatohead.com
@MrPost.com
@myflat.com
@myhideout.com
@mylaptop.com
@mynetaddress.com
@myownemail.com
@mypeak.com
@mypenthouse.com
N
@n2mail.com
@netby.dk
@netexecutive.com
@netexpressway.com
@netlane.com
@netlimit.com
@netspeedway.com
@nettaxi.com
@nirvanafan.com
@notme.com
@null.com
O
@o-tay.com
@ohio-state.com
@onecooldude.com
@onlyus.com
@onvillage.com
@over-the-rainbow.com
P
@packersfan.com
@partlycloudy.com
@partyondude.com
@passagen.se
@pcpostal.com
@phayze.com
@phil-collins.com
@planetall.com
@POBoxes.com
@pochta.ru
@polbox.com
@pooh-bear.com
@pool-sharks.com
@populus.net
@positive-thinking.com
@post.cz
@postmaster.co.uk
@pratomic.com
@psicorps.com
@Psynet.net
@pulp-fiction.com
Q
@qsl.net
@quackquack.com
R
@RadioLink.net
@rednecks.com
@robs-place.com
@rocketmail.com
@rodrun.com
@rubyridge.com
S
@sade.com
@sandra-bullock.com
@sagra.lu
@seguros.com.br
@scifianime.com
@scififan.com
@scott-wolf.com
@selin.com
@sexysurfer.com
@singpost.com
@smashing-pumpkins.com
@smileyface.com
@softhome.net
@somethingorother.com
@speed-racer.com
@spyring.com
@sportsaddict.com
@starmail.com
@starplace.com
@startrekave.com
@startreklane.com
@starwarsave.com
@starwarsfan.com
@stealthmail.com
@steelersfan.com
@stones.com
@stopdropandroll.com
@sub-cpl.com
@sub-f.com
@sub-m.com
@sunrise-sunset.com
@sunsgame.com
@supernetpower.com
@supernews.com
@surat.com
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@Tande.com
@technologest.com
@TeenWorld.POBoxes.com
@tellmeimcute.com
@the18th.com
@The18thHole.com
@the-any-key.com
@the-beatles.com
@the-big-apple.com
@the-eagles.com
@the-lair.com
@the-pentagon.com
@the-police.com
@the-stock-market.com
@thegolfcourse.com
@TheGym.net
@thehelm.com
@thekeyboard.com
@thelanddownunder.com
@TheOffice.net
@ThePentagon.com
@theraces.com
@theracetrack.com
@theteebox.com
@thevortex.com
@TheWaterCooler.com
@tigerdrive.com
@toon-town.com
@toosexyforyou.com
@tropicalstorm.com
@truetoyou.com
@trust-me.com
@turnhere.com
@tweety-bird.com
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@u4me.com
@ukmail.org
@uni.de
@usa.net
@usaaccess.net
@ucsd.com
@unforgettable.com
V
@vcmail.com
@visitweb.com
@vorlonempire.com
W
@walt-disney.com
@webave.com
@webjetters.com
@wetwetwet.com
@white-star.com
@wilddate.com
@winningteam.com
@wolf-web.com
@wonder-net.com
@wouldilie.com
@wowmail.com
@writeme.com
X
@xfilesfan.com
Y
@yada-yada.com
@yasmine-bleeth.com
@yclub.com
@yeayea.com
@your-house.com
@yuppieintraining.com
Z
@zahadum.com
@zuzzurello.com
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What are my options for selling items?
There are quite a few ways to sell or auction your stuff on the marketplace. They are:
Dutch auction
This is probably the rarest kind of auction that is used on the newsgroup. This is where the opening bid is set extremely high for a product and then falls gradually down over time until someone grabs it. Each item will have a different opening bid and decrease in price with each posting until the first person claims it at that price.
Sealed bid auction
Another pretty rarely type of auction. Basically you list your items and solicit sealed bids. That is, people
who are interested in one or more of your items enter 'secret' bids for each item they are interested in. Usually this type of auction runs for a short period of time as the auctioneer tries to solicit as many sealed bids as possible. At the end, he reveals who the high bidder was on each item. You may want to set minimum bids if you wish to run this kind of auction. Also, the bids are supposed to be sealed, so you are not supposed to reveal to other bidders what someone else is bidding on an item until the auction is over.
Lot bid auction
For those who don't have the time to run a full-fledged auction and want to move all of their stuff fast and in one fell swoop, this may be a good option for the seller. You list all of your items you want to sell in one big lot and then solicit bids (you probably should post a minimum that you want in order to weed out the weenie
bidders). Mostly the resellers will bid in these kinds of auctions, but personal buyers can find bargains too, since the price for a large lot is usually less than having to buy all of the items separately.
Itemized Going, Going, Gone Auction
This is the most popular type of auction run here and with good reason. The going1x, going2x and gone method is by far the fairest method of auctioning for the participants, since everyone has a shot to 'win' and claims jumpers have no chance. This is also the kind of auction that is most likely to cause brain haemorrhages for the auctioneer, especially if it is a large auction. Many potential bidders will not start bidding until items are going1x or going2x. Two day intervals between 'going' gradations are probably the best. This auction ensures the auctioneer the highest amounts possible for items, while giving participants an equal opportunity to win items. This type of auction requires time and meticulous accounting on the part of the auctioneer though, so be prepared for that.
Sale Sale Sale!!!
Basically a seller lists all the items he has for sale and their price and posts the list to the newsgroup. Sometimes sale notices don't contain prices or even a lists of items that are for sale, instead prices and item lists are given on inquiry. Notices sometimes point the reader to a web page were the seller has a list of items for sale. Items sold in this way are usually sold on a fist-come-first-served basis.
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How should I post my Auction or Sale?
I suggest using the following template for your Subject line:
[Name of Auction] [Auction/Sale] [Game System(s)/Editions/Main Auction Items] [Highlight Items][Update# if auction]
ie. Joe's Auction: ADD 1st+2nd Ed/CoC inc. T1-4,Arkham Horror, Update #3
In the body of your Sale or Auction you should list what you have, what you want to sell it for and its condition, your email address, your name and if you live outside the USA. If you have a long list of items, you can break it up into multiple messages (2 or 3), but most people find it somewhat annoying. When posting multiple messages you should try and break the list up into related groups (ie all boxed sets, different game systems, different editions, etc). Also, don't post the same message day after day after day. It's gets somewhat annoying to people that read the newsgroup. Also remember that writing in CAPS can also be annoying and is really bad net etiquette .
Remember this newsgroup is for any and all roleplaying material, don't assume that they know the name of every piece of roleplaying material ever made so always indicate what system items are used for. Detailed descriptions, especially of magazines, rare or unusual items, are also useful at times in stimulating interest in items for sale or auction.
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How long should the auction last?
Dutch Auctions and Sealed Bid Auctions should, IMHO, run no more that 2 weeks, any longer than this and people start to get annoyed. Lot Auctions and Itemised Auctions should in general run from 2-4 weeks depending on how many items you have and the rate at which people bid. Any longer than this and you stand more of a chance that they may become disinterested the longer an auction drags out. One month should be long enough for interested parties to see your posts, contact you and bid. Longer than that also puts you into jeopardy of competing with other new auctions that are offering the same items as yours for lower bids, plus current bidders may also find the items in your auction some place else and pull their bids (or just ignore it when you send the bill). Auctions of these types generally have a built in time limit, sometimes, however you may want it to end by a specific time or it may become be drawn out, in these cases you may either move the bidding to email in the case of a few bidders after a single item, or set an ending date for the auction. When setting an ending date, many bidders will just wait it out until the very end and then bid on the last update. It is a common curtesy that you should always give the last highest bidder the right to outbid any last minute bid, especially if this bid has come from someone that has never bid before in the auction.
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Group bids in auctions
Probably the best way to get totally confused and turn your auction into chaos is to have both group and individual bids on items. Group bids occur when an auctioneer accepts bids on a group of items. For example, one case I remember was a person who was auctioning White Dwarf magazines from 20-96 or so. One bidder placed a lot bid on issues 22, 24, 25, 28, 41, 42, 43, 49, 65, 71, 73, 78, 81, 86, 88 and 91. That is not a natural lot, and unfortunately, the auctioneer accepted it and mayhem ensued in the auction, as others registered similar style lots that overlapped with this one. I would suggest that you don't accept group bids, but, if you do plan to accept group bids, make sure they make sense and you make it very clear on how you will deal with them.
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Why Trade?
Well, sometimes if you have old RPG stuff you don't want to use, and want other RPG, often it's simpler to just try to trade your old stuff for stuff that you and can use. Sure, you could sell it, then use the money to buy something, but that can drag out to a long and time consuming process. First you have to sell it, wait for the money to come, then shop for what you want, send the money, wait for the package to arrive. With trading, you get things right away, if you can find someone interested in your stuff, that is;) Trading is somewhat riskier than buying or selling, but in general most people are honest and fair.
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